Congratulations to Greg King for starting the Downing Street petition against airport expansion. See link:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/airports/sign
Please give this your urgent protest and pass the message around the rest of your address book.
Us concerned people should be doing everything we can to beat the self interested complainers against congestion charging.
Tuesday, March 06, 2007
Monday, March 05, 2007
MPs opinions on airport expansion
Click here to read my magical fairy story and click here for letters to MPs, Ministers and the Advertising Standard Agency and links to various reports
Click on the link below to see the questionnaire on airport expansion that we sent to all MPs and the responses we received.
http://cirencestercollegepeopleandplanet.blogspot.com/
Click on the link below to see the questionnaire on airport expansion that we sent to all MPs and the responses we received.
http://cirencestercollegepeopleandplanet.blogspot.com/
Saturday, March 03, 2007
Meeting with David Drew MP
Click here to read my magical fairy story and click here for letters to MPs, Ministers and the Advertising Standard Agency and links to various reports
I am delighted to say that I have had an excellent meeting with David Drew this morning on the subject of global warming and our responses to it.
David is supportive on all the main action points that I have given him which follow below. In addition he is prepared to pursue a private members bill for the introduction of a compulsary environmental health warning on airline adverts, in the same way as is currently done on cigarettes. This follows some of the blatent distortions of the truth that the airlines have been peddling recently in the press, (see my letters to the Advertising standards agency in protest against Easy Jet and Ryan Air on the blog). I will support David in this initative by researching into the way the legislation was handled with the tobacco industry and what can be learnt from that experience. If anyone on the mail list has any knowledge of how this was engineered and how the tobacco companies were defeated in their objection to the warnings, please let me know, or if you are able to help me research this and put material together also let me know. Email at kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com
We also had an interesting discussion on how important it was that communities act together to jointly reduce C02 emissions and what constituted a community, we agreed that communities can be from local level up to international level. At one extreme we discussed the possiblity of making Nailsworth a carbon neutral area to the other extreme of creating a community at an international level, were countries form "collitions of the willing" on specific issue areas. For example if the UK and Holland both agreed to stop competing in the race to develop airports, it would be far more effective than relying on the industry to join a flawed system such as the European Carbon Trading Scheme. As Holland is already below sea level and at serious risk from global warming, they would probably be receptive to this. David has agreed to give thought as to how we could move this forward.
On the specific issue of the proposed Staverton Aiport development, I have just learnt that at a full council meeting Tweksbury councillors agreed to sign the Nottingham Declaration on climate change. The declaration commits councils to work with the Government to implement the UK Climate Change Programme locally. Also, Staverton Airport have withdrawn their 5 year business plan stating that it contains commercially confidential information. The letter that I sent Tewksbury County Council is on the blog.
The list of things that I would like David Drew to do:
- I would like you to increase awareness of the need for robust and meaningful action to reduce CO2 emissions within the House of Commons and encourage ministers to lead by example. It is not acceptable that our Prime Minister holidays abroad whilst telling everyone else that we need to make cuts.
- I have replied to the letter sent to me by the Transport Secretary’s representative, details are on my blog. I have had no reply. I would like you to follow up this with Douglas Alexander and his representative (Emily Robertson).
- I would like your assurance that you will actively oppose the government’s airport expansion policies. There are currently no international mechanisms or agreements that will limit the growth of aviation, let alone its curtailment. The Chicago agreement prevents fuel tax being levied on international flights and the ETS scheme is unlikely to be effective. Unilateral restrictions in supply are the only available means of limiting emissions.
- I would like you to lobby MEPs to gain a consensus that airport expansion across Europe in general should be stopped.
- I have written to the ASA regarding the Easy Jet and Ryan Air adverts. I would like your support in following up these complaints.
- The airline and travel industry is able to buy significant press coverage every day through their adverts. After the misleading articles published by Easy Jet and Ryan Air, I would like you to pursue a campaign that every advert and plane ticket carries a warning along the lines of “Flying seriously damages the environment,” in the same way that cigarette adverts are controlled.
- I would like your support in opposing the developments in Staverton Airport. I have written to all the councillors in Tewskesbury. Recent developments are encouraging. Tewkesbury Borough Council has signed the Nottingham Declaration on climate change committing them to work with the Government to implement the UK Climate Change Programme locally.
- I would like you to press for further increases in APD, as existing levels are too low to be effective.
- I would like you to lobby for an immediate and urgent start to iron sulphate seeding of the desolate and non fertile parts of the oceans. This has been demonstrated to massively increase phytoplankton activity and absorb enormous quantities of CO2. Furthermore, this reduces acidity of the oceans. There is also evidence that it will increase cloud formation, thereby providing further cooling. It can be done at relatively low cost and low environmental risk.
Monday, February 26, 2007
Staverton Airport
Staverton aiport is currently seeking planning permission to allow extension of its runway. The aim of this expansion is to devlop new regional and short haul services from the airport. This is the most CO2 intensive method of travel.
See my letter to the Tewksbury District councillors.
See my letter to the Tewksbury District councillors.
Wednesday, February 21, 2007
How to complain
Click here to read my magical fairy story and click here for letters to MPs, Ministers and the Advertising Standard Agency and links to various reports
Dear Concerned Friends,
For anyone buying a newspaper today (21st Feb) you will have seen two adverts from the low cost airlines, Ryan Air and Easy Jet. Ryan Air’s advert is a crude and crass campaign aimed at protesting against the governments proposed increase in APD. Its target is clearly the lowest unthinking levels of society, which is reflected in the distrortions of the truth that it makes use of.
Almost as bad was Easy Jet’s advert in the Times and other papers aimed at convincing us that travel by Easy Jet is environmentally friendly because they pack more people in a plane than any one else. Also see their web site: http://www.easyjet.com
To try and claim flying Easy Jet is environmentally acceptable is like saying that it is safe to smoke low tar cigarettes.
I have written the Advertising Standards Authority to complain about both of these adverts. As with writing to MPs, the more people that support this; the more effective us concerned people will be in combating the lies and mistruths that these companies are peddling. Click on the link above to access the complaints section and see the link below for copies of the letters that I have sent.
http://letterinthebattleagainstclimatechange.blogspot.com/
It is important to muster as much support on this as possible. When the IPCC report was released the Independent devoted 5 pages of of the paper to it, but in the same edition over 10 pages were devoted to airline adverts and the travel write ups to encourage us to travel ever more. And the Indpendent has been the most vociferous of all newspapers on global warming!!
Kevin
Dear Concerned Friends,
For anyone buying a newspaper today (21st Feb) you will have seen two adverts from the low cost airlines, Ryan Air and Easy Jet. Ryan Air’s advert is a crude and crass campaign aimed at protesting against the governments proposed increase in APD. Its target is clearly the lowest unthinking levels of society, which is reflected in the distrortions of the truth that it makes use of.
Almost as bad was Easy Jet’s advert in the Times and other papers aimed at convincing us that travel by Easy Jet is environmentally friendly because they pack more people in a plane than any one else. Also see their web site: http://www.easyjet.com
To try and claim flying Easy Jet is environmentally acceptable is like saying that it is safe to smoke low tar cigarettes.
I have written the Advertising Standards Authority to complain about both of these adverts. As with writing to MPs, the more people that support this; the more effective us concerned people will be in combating the lies and mistruths that these companies are peddling. Click on the link above to access the complaints section and see the link below for copies of the letters that I have sent.
http://letterinthebattleagainstclimatechange.blogspot.com/
It is important to muster as much support on this as possible. When the IPCC report was released the Independent devoted 5 pages of of the paper to it, but in the same edition over 10 pages were devoted to airline adverts and the travel write ups to encourage us to travel ever more. And the Indpendent has been the most vociferous of all newspapers on global warming!!
Kevin
Friday, February 16, 2007
A winner in the tree planting competion
I am delighted to report that we have a potential winner in the competion to get the most positive response from an MP on airport expansion. Jenifer O’Donnell has contacted Geoffrey Clifton Brown MP for the Cotswolds. Geoffrey Clifton Brown has already written to Gillian Merron (Under Secretary Of State For Transport, with responsibility for aviation) to forward Jenifer’s concerns on airport expansion.
We await a copy of Gillian Merron’s response and would be delighted for Geoffry Clifton Brown to join us in planting a tree.
We await a copy of Gillian Merron’s response and would be delighted for Geoffry Clifton Brown to join us in planting a tree.
Friday, February 09, 2007
Debate with the Department of Transport on Airport Expansion
As a change from debating with David Drew MP about why we should protest against airport expansion, I have now engaged the transport secretary (or at least one his representitives). They have finally given a response to the initial letter that I sent in December.
Click on the link above to read the letter from the department for transport and judge for yourself the strength of the arguement to support airport expansion.
My response back follows below, which is also copied to David Drew:-
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Dear Emily,
Thank you for the letter that you have sent my son on behalf of the Transport Secretary, which I have taken the liberty to respond to on his behalf.
I have referred to the governments 2003 White Paper, The Future of Air Transport and the subsequent progress report of December 2006, which you referenced in your letter to try and understand the specifics of your points.
The progress report states that the aircraft industry is “adopting a target to improve fuel efficiency by 50 per cent per seat kilometre in new aircraft in 2020 compared to 2000.”
A recent IPCC investigation into aircraft efficiency improvements concludes that “Because of the very long total lifetimes of today's aircraft (up to 50 years), however, replacement rates are low, and the fuel efficiency of the whole fleet will improve slowly.”
Further to this Boeing’s Walt Gillette who is the Vice President and Airplane Manager of the 7E7 says “The 7E7 will use less fuel per passenger than an A380 and Boeing has set itself a target of reducing the 7E7's fuel consumption by 20 percent compared with comparable types around today, such as the 767.”
As the 7E7 will be the most fuel efficient airplane in the skies for the next 20 years, can you explain where the other 30% of fuel efficiency that the airlines are committing to will come from, even given the unreasonable assumption that all the future planes flying will be 7E7s. If not, can I reasonably conclude that the 50% target in your papers does not represent a realistic target? Also, given that we are 7 years into the 20 year time frame for a 50% overall fuel improvement, could you advise on the progress that the airline industry has made towards these targets.
In your letter, you state that the White Paper has rejected proposals for development at some airports, it does however state “The Government therefore supported the development of two new runways in the South East: at Stansted and at Heathrow.” In addition, it also supports significant service increases at regional airports.
On your point on the APD, the feedback from passengers on BBC reports on the day of its introduction was that the additional charge was too small to stop people flying. In your letter, you have stated that the APD will result in savings equivalent to three quarters of a million tonnes of carbon. Can you confirm how this estimate has been derived and what percentage of the total fuel burnt by the aircraft industry this represents?
In your letter and in the white papers, you state that the government is committed to a reduction in CO2 of some 60%. The white papers say that this can be achieved by carbon trading under the proposed EU mechanisms. Unfortunately, the white paper does not give any consideration as to how this will be achieved, other than to imply that savings made by other industries will offset aviation. Can you say which other industries will make savings and can you give assurances that these industries will not simply relocate to other countries (i.e. China) which are not in the trading mechanism to continue operations? Can you confirm if you have contacted other heavy industries to confirm that they will be prepared to cut manufacturing output to support the airline industry?
In the light of last weeks damning IPCC report and the governments attempt to stem demand by the introduction of the APD, can you confirm if the government or the transport secretary is reconsidering the proposals to develop new airport infrastructure across the country?
I am also copying my MP (David Drew) on this reply.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
Click on the link above to read the letter from the department for transport and judge for yourself the strength of the arguement to support airport expansion.
My response back follows below, which is also copied to David Drew:-
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Dear Emily,
Thank you for the letter that you have sent my son on behalf of the Transport Secretary, which I have taken the liberty to respond to on his behalf.
I have referred to the governments 2003 White Paper, The Future of Air Transport and the subsequent progress report of December 2006, which you referenced in your letter to try and understand the specifics of your points.
The progress report states that the aircraft industry is “adopting a target to improve fuel efficiency by 50 per cent per seat kilometre in new aircraft in 2020 compared to 2000.”
A recent IPCC investigation into aircraft efficiency improvements concludes that “Because of the very long total lifetimes of today's aircraft (up to 50 years), however, replacement rates are low, and the fuel efficiency of the whole fleet will improve slowly.”
Further to this Boeing’s Walt Gillette who is the Vice President and Airplane Manager of the 7E7 says “The 7E7 will use less fuel per passenger than an A380 and Boeing has set itself a target of reducing the 7E7's fuel consumption by 20 percent compared with comparable types around today, such as the 767.”
As the 7E7 will be the most fuel efficient airplane in the skies for the next 20 years, can you explain where the other 30% of fuel efficiency that the airlines are committing to will come from, even given the unreasonable assumption that all the future planes flying will be 7E7s. If not, can I reasonably conclude that the 50% target in your papers does not represent a realistic target? Also, given that we are 7 years into the 20 year time frame for a 50% overall fuel improvement, could you advise on the progress that the airline industry has made towards these targets.
In your letter, you state that the White Paper has rejected proposals for development at some airports, it does however state “The Government therefore supported the development of two new runways in the South East: at Stansted and at Heathrow.” In addition, it also supports significant service increases at regional airports.
On your point on the APD, the feedback from passengers on BBC reports on the day of its introduction was that the additional charge was too small to stop people flying. In your letter, you have stated that the APD will result in savings equivalent to three quarters of a million tonnes of carbon. Can you confirm how this estimate has been derived and what percentage of the total fuel burnt by the aircraft industry this represents?
In your letter and in the white papers, you state that the government is committed to a reduction in CO2 of some 60%. The white papers say that this can be achieved by carbon trading under the proposed EU mechanisms. Unfortunately, the white paper does not give any consideration as to how this will be achieved, other than to imply that savings made by other industries will offset aviation. Can you say which other industries will make savings and can you give assurances that these industries will not simply relocate to other countries (i.e. China) which are not in the trading mechanism to continue operations? Can you confirm if you have contacted other heavy industries to confirm that they will be prepared to cut manufacturing output to support the airline industry?
In the light of last weeks damning IPCC report and the governments attempt to stem demand by the introduction of the APD, can you confirm if the government or the transport secretary is reconsidering the proposals to develop new airport infrastructure across the country?
I am also copying my MP (David Drew) on this reply.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
Thursday, January 11, 2007
Correspondence with David Drew
Click here to read my magical fairy story and click here for letters to MPs and Ministers and links to various interesting reports
If anyone doubts that climate change is not an issue or not going to happen in their life time, tell them to go outside and experience the warmest December ever. On top of this, we have now been told that polar bears and Scottish porpoises will soon be extinct, both as a direct result of global warming.
I was therefore amazed when the government announced a major expansion of Heathrow and Stanstead airports just before Christmas. This is absolutely counter to all the scientific evidence and the advice of the governments own advisers. The new proposals will allow 250,000 extra flights per year. It takes about 50,000 trees a year to absorb the CO2 of a single flight. Doing the maths, you will see there are not enough trees in the entire country to absorb all this new CO2!!
After our MP (David Drew) said in his election campaign “global warming was our biggest threat” and told us that he sat on a governmental environment committee I thought it would be useful to hear his comments and find what he was doing to challenge the decision. Between the two of us, there has been a lively exchange of emails, and he can not be accused of ignoring me. Amazingly, though he is doing nothing because he thinks only 2% of the people care enough and that it may cost him votes. We need to show our MP that we care and we are not as selfish as he thinks. I urge all readers to contact our MP to ask him to explain his position. My exchange of e-mails with David Drew makes entertaining reading and exerts of it are listed below.
The blue bits are David Drews, the black bits are mine, and the red bits are when the MP for Cheltenham joined the debate.
This month’s competition: Kev’s Climate Column will plant a tree in the garden for the person who can get the best response from David Drew. A sample letter is available by clicking the link at the top of this page. If David Drew makes a really positive change, we can invite him to the tree planting!!
email your replies to kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
My E-mails follow, start at the bottom of this post and enjoy!!!!!
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: The governments policy on sustainable development.
Dear David,
Firstly, I would like to thank you for keeping up the correspondence on this vitally important issue. As you are now aware, our correspondence has wide coverage and I like to think it has informed the debate. I appreciate the demands on you from your other 80,000 constituents, however the problems that they face today are trivial compared to those that they will face tomorrow as a consequence of global warming. I have looked deeply into the mathematics of climate change. The conclusions are stark, horrifying and unequivocal.
We are currently sleepwalking into an unprecedented disaster. By not taking a stand when we can on damaging developments such as airport expansion, we are by default supporting them. We are repeating the mistakes of the German people before the war. They never challenged Hitler when they saw the Jews being persecuted. Had they done so, the horrors of what was to come may have been stopped. As Burke famously said “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Today, good men are doing nothing. Minority interests are being allowed to easily usurp majority interests and in the face of overwhelming evidence against their need. Change will not come from those who keep quiet and hope for the best.
I am pleased that you have given up air travel. I have done likewise and implore all my friends and colleagues to do the same.
I also thank you for the reports that you have sent through. They clearly present an extremely disturbing picture.
I quote from the Environmental Audit Committee
“DfT’s plan for a large expansion of aviation was incompatible with the Government’s very demanding target for 60% carbon reductions by 2050—especially when taking into account the wider global warming contribution of aviation (previously accepted by the Treasury as equivalent to 2.5 times the weight in emissions simply of CO2 )”
It goes onto say (bold in the report)
“sadly, little has changed for the better since EAC’s last report on aviation. Progress on introducing financial mechanisms to reduce the growth in emissions from flying is slow, and both the Government and the industry are as intransigent as ever.”
and
“even under the Government’s own and most optimistic projections, every other sector of the economy would have to cut its share of UK emissions, while that of aviation would be assisted to almost quintuple (to 24% of total UK emissions given a best case scenario).”
On the issue of direct controls, which you have said you favour, the report says of carbon trading within the EU that “a great many complications and uncertainties remain in the way of turning this model into reality.” Tony Juniper also warns that this will not work as cement and steel companies who have to make cuts to support the airline industry and will simply move to China to stay in business and will continue polluting there.
The second report that you attach (Greenhouse gas emissions) states “that under internationally agreed guidelines, emissions from international aviation are not included in any one country’s totals.” It goes on to say “air travel is projected to consume 60% of all energy used by transport in 2050”
The reports that you have sent through present a clear picture of why it is vital to act now to stop airport expansion. We must avoid significant further carbon emissions in the future. The evidence is overwhelming. Aircraft emissions will become a significant contributor and the only way to constrain them is to stop airport expansion. I, and many of your fellow constituents, seek your assurance that you will use your position within parliament to challenge this damaging and short sighted decision.
Yours,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David" wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for your two further emails. I am afraid that I am unable to keep up with your prolixity and your expansion into other areas of publicity as I have to deal with the other 80,000 constituents that also have views and problems. However I confirm that sustainable development is very important which is why I am a key sponsor of tomorrow’s debate on the Sustainable Bill to have its Second Reading tomorrow.
I agree that this is not compatible with expanding airports. My point of disagreement with you, which I repeat is that I believe that we have to stem the rate of increase and then reverse this as the main objective of policy and then we will not need to have any expansion. My family and I have given up flying as a form of leisure and pleasure – I hope that this is what you and others will agree to do and perhaps a good use of your website is to challenge other candidates and councillors to do likewise. My only use of flights will be for humanitarian purposes given that I hope to re-visit Sudan in February but given that my father is seriously ill I suspect that this will not happen.
In the meantime I am copying you three documents, the last Environmental Audit Report on Transport Emissions, one on Greenhouse Gas Emissions, and on Air Transport Statistics. They are detailed reports which whilst I make no apology for subjectively arguing explain why I believe that that it is vital that we concentrate efforts on reducing car use and also directly attacking flying through taxation but also direct controls so as to avoid the social unfairnesses of using price alone as a deflator.
Hopefully on that positive note we can end our correspondence. If I am guilty of anything it is that I did not spell out clearly enough that I want to go much further than just trying to stop airport growth by reversing our dependence on carbon based forms of transport.
I am copying Mike Jones and Philip Booth into this as they entered into our correspondence which I naively thought was private until your opening up to others.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 08:47To: DREW, David
Subject: The government’s policy on sustainable development.
Dear David,
A colleague of mine has consulted the government’s sustainable development policy website and found the following statement:
“We need to secure a profound change in the way we generate and use energy, and in other activities that release these gases. We must set a good example and encourage others to follow it.”
In light of the airport expansion this is contradictorily; sustainable development, which has been so quickly absorbed into governmental rhetoric requires that we begin to start balancing economic and environmental priorities. If we are to be an advanced and “encouraging” nation, public policy should reflect that the environment and economy are inextricably linked - the condition of our economy will reflect the health of the earth’s natural systems. The time will come when the economy is substantially undermined by the environment.
Can you confirm if it is in fact the government’s policy to pursue sustainable development or to totally abandon this concept?
Kevin
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Dear David,
Thank you for replying again and continuing our friendly disagreement. You have however perplexed me again with your answers.
You have said that I should be concentrating on motor cars rather than flying. I accept that we should also be concentrating on motor cars. However, you will now have noticed how difficult it is to reduce or stop something that has already started. The government buckled immediately at the truck drivers’ protest over increased taxes. You have said below "we should use direct controls as well as pricing motorists the full environmental cost." This plays the exact argument that you have just made against my request of you to make a stand against airport expansion. You are effectively saying that the only people who will be able to travel by car will be rich footballer types, rather than poor deserving people. Personally I don't have a great problem with that because I can not see any other way and there are not that many rich footballer types, but you have consistently argued that you do have a problem with that concept. (This is not to say that I have any respect for rich footballer types whose car foot print far exceeds the national average). Your government also has a record of retreat in this area.
The failures that we have had trying to get road traffic under control clearly demonstrates how difficult it is to stop something once it is going and is all the more reason to stop it before it does get going and builds up its own momentum.
Your argument also seems to be that because car travel produces huge amounts of CO2, then it is okay to double airline capacity. Any sane and rational person would argue the opposite; because car travel has produced so much CO2 then it is even more important that we add no more to the environment than we absolutely have to.
You say that "We should start from the perspective of direct controls on who can fly." Can you explain what these direct controls would look like and how they would be implemented in practise? If you are serious about reducing flying by imposing direct controls, would we then not end up with an empty new terminal at Heathrow and unused runway around the country? Surely better not to build them in the first place.
Once you have worked out what these controls would look like, how long would it take to put them in place? We have a very limited time. Climate change is running faster and faster and we do not have time to procrastinate. Acidification of the oceans is threatening to move things to a tipping point far faster than we ever through possible.
Without wanting to be too personal, you sounding a bit like the fairies in my story. I am sure you are quite kind, but.......
http://asadstoryofmagicfairies.blogspot.com/
Again, I seek your assurance that you will recognise global warming as the big threat to the planet that it is and use your position in parliament to challenge this unbelievably stupid decision. I have yet to meet any sane thinking person that supports airport expansion.
"DREW, David"wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for this. I'm glad that we have got to the root of our disagreement. According to Question 1 you are quite happy to allow the Beckhams to tear around the world for celebrity shopping and worse and yet a pensioner who uses all his life savings to visit his fallen comrades in the Far East should be prevented from doing so. You make my point absolutely - the price mechanism is unfair and to use it alone just attacks the poor.
We should start from the perspective of direct controls on who can fly and how much and not rely on basic capitalist economics. Then we would not need to be talking about airport expansion. I agree with you on nuclear power it would appear, as we are not yet serious in trying to grapple with a move towards a non-carbon energy base. However by concentrating just on flying you miss out on the more important issue of the motor car where again we should use direct controls as well as pricing motorists the full environmental cost of them using the car. To me this is where we should start as airport expansion is in the future and if people start their everyday journeys by modal shift then persuading them not to fly is much easier.
Hope this goes up in lights to show our friendly disagreement.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com] Sent: 11 January 2007 10:05To: DREW, DavidSubject: RE: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
I will answer the questions, but it still does not detract from the fact that you are supporting the airport expansion, despite you saying how concerned you were about the environment when running for election.
Question1: It is not up to me to decide who can and can not fly - it is up to the market. If taxes are increased, less people will fly because they can not afford to. If airport capacity is limited, prices will go up and less people will fly. If airlines are brought into the European emissions trading scheme, prices will go up (unless the targets set are so minimal as to not be worth while joining in the first place) as airlines compete for the the right to pollute. If you give people carbon rations, these become a defacto currency as they will be exchanged and sold. So, fundamentally affordability level of flying needs to increase, rather than have it be lowered year on year.
Question 2: See question 1 above, and read your basic books on economics.
Question 3: See question 1 above
Question 4: As per previous comments, safety is not a valid contribution into this argument. It is up to the airport management to ensure that airport operates safely within its existing capacity, and to ensure that the capacity is not exceeded. Also on this argument, if the airports expand in South East, we end up with double the number of aircraft flying over London and thereby increasing the risk of a mid air accident.
Question 5: If we go ahead with this development will breach the Kyoto agreements. This is one that I am not prepared to see broken.
Question 6: Certain military options are necessary such as bombing Taliban positions in Afghanistan and providing humanitarian relief. To the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any of these activities being planned from Heathrow! Even so, because we have to do this, it does not justify further expansion.
Question 7: Curtailing the use of the motor car is equally important. What are your policies on this?
"DREW, David"wrote:
Dear Kevin
Fine. Stand for election. Can I start with some questions for you.
1 Who are you going to stop from flying for tourist reasons?
2 Are you going to use the tax system alone, if so this is completely in egalitatarian.
3 How are you going to police this and what sanctions will you use for people who choose to continue to fly for tourism?
4 Would you take any responsibility if you failed to update airport facilities and a serious accident resulted from this decision?
5 What international agreements would you prepared to break to end flights between the UK and other parts of the world?
6 What other reasons do you think it right to stop people from flying? Business, humanitarian, military or personal?
7 I congratulate you like me on being a cyclist - why when motoring is a much greater threat to Co2 emissions and particulates especially is curtailing use of the car not more important than or at least equal importance to flying?
I look forward to your answers.
David
Dear David,
I concur with you. You are obviously extremely old fashioned.
May I remind you that you decided to run for office. You were not born into the job. In your effort to run for office you played the environment card. The issue we have discussed over this exchange of emails is not some private issue - it is a major public policy issue.
Are you trying to say that when you decide to change your position on an issue as critical as this, that I am impolite and vulgar by sharing it with similar like minded people? Some of these people voted for you in good faith.
Unlike some people, I am not cynical about politics. I believe politicans are the servants of the people. I believe in making sure that they are held to account on these most critical of issues.
Take it from me, if you do not make a positive move on this, I and my colleagues will do everything within our power to overturn your majority. That is democracy.
Todays latest news on global warming brings the impending chaos even closer to our doors - click on this link below.
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"DREW, David"wrote: Dear Kevin
I am afraid that I am old fashioned enough to believe that correspondece is private. I don't have the need tobroadcast my views about.
Yours sincerely
David
-----Original Message-----
From: "KEVIN LISTER"
To: "DREW, David"
Cc: "Cathy Green" ; "martin@martinhorwood.net"
Sent: 10/01/07 17:38
Subject: RE: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
Firstly, I do not speak on behalf of the Lib Dem - so you need to put this question to them. Also, whilst Lib Dem's take their currrent position on nuclear power I cannot support them.
However, I will try and answer your points below, but firstly I need to clarify. When you say anyone - do you mean everyone?
The answer if you mean everyone - It is clearly not Lib Dem policy because they are not as yet advocating ripping up the existing run ways, which is what is needed to stop everyone flying.
If you mean anyone - then not everyone can fly anyway. Market forces dictate that. If it is your policy that anyone should be able to fly, then aswell as building additional runways, we should also be giving flying vouchers for state entitled free weekend breaks. That way anyone can fly. Silly comment I know - but it is the best way I can answer your silly point.
Again, I am not quite sure what you are trying to say in your last couple of sentences. If you are saying that Lib Dems policies are not worth the paper they are writen on because they will not stick to these policies and that they are thus worthless, then it will be up to the electorate to ensure that they are held to account in the event that they obtain power. Your critisism is a rather weak in light of your own current position when you said in the The Space "How important it was that we tackle climate change" and in the light of your own leader who has said he refuses to reduce air travel.
To me your position remains clear. By not using your position to challenge airport expansion, you are fundamentally supporting the expansion despite your misgivings and the overwhelming mountain of scientific evidence.
On a cautionary note, could I ask that you consider your replies, as our correspondence is now on wide circulation.
"DREW, David" wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for sending me Martin Horwood's response. Can you confirm that it is now Liberal Democrat policy to stop anyone from flying on a holiday so as to stop any expansion in airport capacity. You seem to continue to misunderstand my position. You have to do this first - but if the Lib Dems are now saying that I am with them - otherwise it is just a completely dishonest and hypocritical statement which is not worth the paper it was printed out on.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 10 January 2007 14:17
To: DREW, David
Cc: cathyclimatechange@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
For your interest, you may be interested in the response from the MP in Cheltenham on the issue of airport expansion.
I hope that this will finally persuade you to change your mind and use your position to challenge the expansion rather than limit yourself to expressing misgivings.
Kevin
Cathy Green wrote:
Dear Cathy
Happy New Year.
I made my position on the airport expansions clear during a public e-meeting at our last party conference in Brighton, fully supporting and reinforcing our party policy which is to oppose all three major airport expansions. If aviation is to be prevented from rising to 20% of UK CO2 emissions as presently projected, we must restrict not expand major airport capacity.
Rest assured I will use my position as Lib Dem shadow environment minister to make this point in Parliament whenever the opportunity arises.
Cheers
Martin
Martin Horwood
Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Cheltenham
martin@martinhorwood.net
(Letter sent by David Drew, blue text is my reply back to him)
7th January 2007
Dear Kevin
Airline Priorities
Thank you for your further email of 3rd January. I think that you are being far too negative about what response the Select Committee made. The key recommendations are there that there needs a major investment in biofuels. Whilst synthetic biomass is behind other forms of bioenergy it certainly is worthy of major investment from now on.
To reiterate, the report stated that “that the cost of producing biomass-derived FT hydrocarbons was likely to rule out their commercial development for the foreseeable future.” This seems quite clear to me, I really am not quite sure what part of this I do not understand.
The report also did not cover the environmental implications of trying to produce enough biomass fuel to make a meaningful contribution to the environment.
On your second point I agree that it is wrong to allow demand to go on untrammelled, but I think it grossly unfair that flying becomes the pursuit of the rich. If we are serious about controlling demand then this must be rationed by quantity and not price. However many people fly for non-leisure reasons including humanitarian intervention.
The easiest way to ration by quantity is to not build any further runways!!
I can’t be as blasé as yourself regarding safety. All airports need to be regularly updated as does any transport form.
I am not at all blasé about safety. It is the airport management’s job to ensure that they operate with an appropriate level of safety margin for the capacity that they can provide. Thus, if an airport has capacity for 10 planes an hour, the airport management ensure that 10 planes per hour are planed and not 15 planes per hour.
On use I raised the point of the demand for flying to demonstrate the scale of the problem in changing mindsets, which brings to your point which is at best silly about the electorate being ahead of politicians.
It was you who said that the electorate were ahead of the politicians on this issue. You said it at the “Question time” forum at the Space in Stroud during your campaign. I thought at the time it was a very perceptive and powerful comment.
You also said at the same meeting, “If you want to be scared, read the report by Sir David King.” You went on to say how important it was that we took action against global warming. Clearly, you now think that expanding airport capacity is more important than taking action on global warming.
When I se people make the same sacrifices then I will concur with your view – until then I would urge you to be a little more circumspect in your views.
I am glad that you will concur with my views once you see people making sacrifices. I would be interested in how many people you would want to see make sacrifices before you changed your views. Would it by any chance be equal to your winning margin? The enclosed link shows some of the people who are making sacrifices. If you look carefully you may see some of your constituents.
http://www.campaigncc.org/images/2006/trafalgarsquare.html
However I did enjoy your website though I’m not sure if you shouldn’t be more positive in terms of what people do.
I am glad you have enjoyed my web site. There will be other exciting competitions in the near future which you will have the opportunity to take part in.
Your concluding point in no way represents my position as I said in my original letter to you.
In your original letter you said you had “misgivings” about airport expansion. However, it seems to me that your misgivings are different to your position and that your position is clear; you will not use your position to challenge the airport expansion in any way.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
MP for Stroud
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:02:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: KEVIN LISTER
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
To: "DREW, David"
Dear David,
Thank you again for your reply and clarification of your position on this. In answer to your points:
1. I have not misunderstood the role of the Select Committee enquires at all. I appreciate fully that these will not and can not provide a complete answer. I also appreciate that they provide a provocative and current investigation; it is in this role that they have "proactively" concluded that the technology and concept behind bio-mass is a none starter. They are also made public, to inform the electorate of the current state of debate on such matters. It is not possible for any reader to come to a conclusion other than bio mass is not a viable alternative, not withstanding the other fundamental questions which the report did not cover.
2. On your second point, you are effectively stating that the proposed increase in airport expansion represents a proposed increase in demand that must be satisfied. The demand is only there because it is currently so cheap to fly. It is cheap to fly because air fuel is untaxed and airports expansion has been supported by past governments. The easiest way to stem demand is to restrict supply. Increasing air taxes is not an option due to the international treaties necessary, so the next obvious form of restriction is to limit airport expansion. As I pointed out in my earlier e-mail, the people stuck at Heathrow prior to Christmas were not on life and death critical missions. It is beyond me to understand why flying hundreds of thousands of people around the country at Christmas is somehow vital to our long term economic interests.
3. Your argument about safety is not a substantive point. It is up to the airport management to ensure that the airport operates safely, at what ever the capacity is.
4. On you point about a poll stating that 98% would be opposed to air travel restrictions, I can assure you that far more than 2% of the people that I know have already decided not to travel by air. You may also wish to challenge the validity of the poll you are referring to; for example, was it taken at an airport? was it commissioned by an airport authority? How were the questions presented to respondents? Were the questions posed along the lines of "would you still take an air trip knowing that by doing so you were contributing to the destruction of the planet and that the impact will deprive our children a full life."
In the question and answer session that was held at The Space in Stroud prior to your election, I raised the question of the environment positions of our prospective candidates. At the end of that heated debate, you made the very valid and perceptive point "that the electorate was ahead of the politicians on this issue." I can conclude from your answers and positions below that you are still prepared to have the electorate ahead of your thinking.
Can I further conclude that you will be supporting the governments position on allowing unrestricted airport expansion and thereby disregarding all the available science and evidence on the subject? Can I also further conclude that by not being prepared to challenge airport expansion, you are prepared to dismiss the recommendations of the Stern report and allow the sacrifice of our environment within the life time of our children so that people can enjoy cheap weekend breaks and exotic holidays.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David"wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for your further email. However you slightly misunderstand the role of Select Committee enquiries. These are never intended to be a complete answer to the enquiry but a provocative and current investigation into issues of concern that government has to grapple with. Though we were questioning of the validity of evidence on alternatives to current fossil fuels our main point is that until and unless government makes a decision on whether to try to make a leap to second generation biofuels we will be facing the current fudge on the first generation.
On restricting air travel the increase in airport capacity represents the rise in demand. Again you cannot stop this unless you are prepared to say who you wnat to stop from flying and how this will be done. I am quite happy to constrict growth but you can't just stop any expansion at present unless you are prepared to take enormous risks in safety as well as the wrath of stopping people from flying without putting alternatives in place or attempting to build a consensus on why this should be done. The latest poll indicated that 98% of people would oppose this - indicative of how far we have to travel in this area.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
________________________________________
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 02 January 2007 23:18
To: DREW, David
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
Dear David,
Thank you for your clarification. I have read the select report document that you refer to.
I note that the reports conclusions on synthetic kerosene are extremely pessimistic with regard to it being a long term effective alternative to conventional fossil fuels.
The report concludes "that the cost of producing biomass-derived FT hydrocarbons was likely to rule out their commercial development for the foreseeable future."
It also goes on to say that "It is most likely that, as with the early South African experience, second generation bio fuels would feature only as part of a kerosene blend but significant work remains before this could demonstrated as viable in cost, energy and environmental terms and thus become be a system-wide reality. The energy required for the production of second generation bio fuels (from biomass) should be improved, but the efficiency of the process on a large scale is as yet uncertain."
The statement is deliberately vague as to what part of the total fuel mix biomass would be. Is it envisaged to be 1% or 99%? The only conclusion that can be reached from this report is that the increased demand that the new airport expansion will develop will be met by increased burning of fossil fuels. I note also from the report, that the synthetic kerosene that South Africa uses is made from coal, thereby demonstrating the idea of biomass becoming a significant supply chain for the aviation fuel as being even less credible.
Further to this, the report makes other serious omissions in its analysis. It does not for example consider how much of the environment we would need to sacrifice to have planes running on bio fuels.
In 1986, the first calculation of the worlds photosynethetic ceiling was carried out. It was calculated then that approximately half of the suns energy was already being used by humans use through crop growth, tree plantations, golf courses, etc, or wasted by falling on roads and cities (see Science 277:494-499 (1997). Since 1986 the world’s population has grown by 35%, thereby eating into the remaining margin. The idea of converting the remaining amount into monoculture crops to support an unnecessary leisure industry is mindless stupidity.
Thus the report and all the available scientific evidence challenges your contention that "aviation could already be making real inroads into its reliance upon carbon-based fuels."
I again urge you again to use your position to protest against this short sighted and damaging decision and seek your assurance that you will do so.
Yours sincerely,
Kevin Lister
For your interest, I enclose a link to my blog, which is published in Nailsworth News.
http://kevsclimatecolumn.blogspot.com/
"DREW, David"wrote:
Dear Kevin
What I was referring to was synthetic kerosene which can be made from biomass. The Defra Select Committee of which I am still a member had a detailed look into this as part of its enquiry into bio-energy. This report can be obtained from the Select Committee pages on the Parliamentary website which can be accessed via www.parliament.uk. Its worth a look as it shows how aviation could already be making real inroads into its reliance upon carbon-based fuels.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
________________________________________
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 31 December 2006 00:45
To: DREW, David
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
Dear David,
Many thanks for you fast response on this. I am glad that you share similar concerns to me about this issue.
I am though perplexed by your comment on kerosene. Planes currently already run on kerosene and this is derived from fossil fuels. If you are alluding to bio fuels with this comment, then you need to be aware that we would have to replace virtually all our tropical rain forests with a mono culture of some crop such as sugar beat to provide enough fuel to run the airline industry. The critically of global warming is such that we need all our bio sphere operating to reduce the current critical build up of CO2 in the atmosphere and not delude ourselves into thinking that there is some relatively easy alternative that preserves our current standards of consumption. By using bio fuels we effectively sacrifice the planets lungs.
I am glad that you, like me disbelieve that 98% of the population would not be prepared to give up air travel. However, it is also worth considering that the combined advertising revenue of airline and associated tourist industries far outweighs what is available to the environmental movement, even in todays climate. If equal advertising was given to both both issues, then I am sure that 98% of the poulation would instantly give up air travel!
To provide you with some sober reading, I attach a word document which includes two further texts. One is from an annonymous author who articulates our approach on global warming in a more powerful way than I could ever hope to. The other is the trend in CO2 from the Hawaii observatory.
Could I again seek your assurance that you will challenge the governments plans for airport expansion. The plans are destructive and offer only a minor short term electoral gain at the expense of catastrophic environmental damage in the near term future for our children.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David"wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for this. I have misgivings about any expansion of airline use. However there are alternatives to gasoline such as kerosene which should be explored. Whilst I believe that we have to be careful about further expansion of Heathrow I am interested to know that the recent poll of 98% of britons who said they would not give up flying is an exaggeration and you like me only fly for reasons such as visiting those in peril and not for leisure reasons.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
________________________________________
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 30 December 2006 15:56
To: DREW, David
Subject: Airport expansion
Dear David,
I am copying you on a letter my son has sent to the Transport Secretary, the Environment Secretary and the Prime Minister to protest against the proposed expansion of Heathrow and other airports that was announced before Christmas.
Your own government commissioned the Stern report which concluded that we need a 90% reduction in CO2 emissions. This decision to expand the airports shows complete and utter disregard to that reports conclusions. It ridicules our reputation in the world as a country that is prepared to show leadership on global warming which is the most critical issue of our time.
The recent pictures of delayed passengers at Heathrow before Christmas illustrated the stupidity of airport expansion. Not one person interviewed had an overwhelming need to travel and not one person interviewed gave any consideration to catastrophic environmental damage that they were about to cause.
I urge you to use your position to protest at this short sighted and damaging decision in Parliament.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
If anyone doubts that climate change is not an issue or not going to happen in their life time, tell them to go outside and experience the warmest December ever. On top of this, we have now been told that polar bears and Scottish porpoises will soon be extinct, both as a direct result of global warming.
I was therefore amazed when the government announced a major expansion of Heathrow and Stanstead airports just before Christmas. This is absolutely counter to all the scientific evidence and the advice of the governments own advisers. The new proposals will allow 250,000 extra flights per year. It takes about 50,000 trees a year to absorb the CO2 of a single flight. Doing the maths, you will see there are not enough trees in the entire country to absorb all this new CO2!!
After our MP (David Drew) said in his election campaign “global warming was our biggest threat” and told us that he sat on a governmental environment committee I thought it would be useful to hear his comments and find what he was doing to challenge the decision. Between the two of us, there has been a lively exchange of emails, and he can not be accused of ignoring me. Amazingly, though he is doing nothing because he thinks only 2% of the people care enough and that it may cost him votes. We need to show our MP that we care and we are not as selfish as he thinks. I urge all readers to contact our MP to ask him to explain his position. My exchange of e-mails with David Drew makes entertaining reading and exerts of it are listed below.
The blue bits are David Drews, the black bits are mine, and the red bits are when the MP for Cheltenham joined the debate.
This month’s competition: Kev’s Climate Column will plant a tree in the garden for the person who can get the best response from David Drew. A sample letter is available by clicking the link at the top of this page. If David Drew makes a really positive change, we can invite him to the tree planting!!
email your replies to kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
My E-mails follow, start at the bottom of this post and enjoy!!!!!
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: The governments policy on sustainable development.
Dear David,
Firstly, I would like to thank you for keeping up the correspondence on this vitally important issue. As you are now aware, our correspondence has wide coverage and I like to think it has informed the debate. I appreciate the demands on you from your other 80,000 constituents, however the problems that they face today are trivial compared to those that they will face tomorrow as a consequence of global warming. I have looked deeply into the mathematics of climate change. The conclusions are stark, horrifying and unequivocal.
We are currently sleepwalking into an unprecedented disaster. By not taking a stand when we can on damaging developments such as airport expansion, we are by default supporting them. We are repeating the mistakes of the German people before the war. They never challenged Hitler when they saw the Jews being persecuted. Had they done so, the horrors of what was to come may have been stopped. As Burke famously said “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Today, good men are doing nothing. Minority interests are being allowed to easily usurp majority interests and in the face of overwhelming evidence against their need. Change will not come from those who keep quiet and hope for the best.
I am pleased that you have given up air travel. I have done likewise and implore all my friends and colleagues to do the same.
I also thank you for the reports that you have sent through. They clearly present an extremely disturbing picture.
I quote from the Environmental Audit Committee
“DfT’s plan for a large expansion of aviation was incompatible with the Government’s very demanding target for 60% carbon reductions by 2050—especially when taking into account the wider global warming contribution of aviation (previously accepted by the Treasury as equivalent to 2.5 times the weight in emissions simply of CO2 )”
It goes onto say (bold in the report)
“sadly, little has changed for the better since EAC’s last report on aviation. Progress on introducing financial mechanisms to reduce the growth in emissions from flying is slow, and both the Government and the industry are as intransigent as ever.”
and
“even under the Government’s own and most optimistic projections, every other sector of the economy would have to cut its share of UK emissions, while that of aviation would be assisted to almost quintuple (to 24% of total UK emissions given a best case scenario).”
On the issue of direct controls, which you have said you favour, the report says of carbon trading within the EU that “a great many complications and uncertainties remain in the way of turning this model into reality.” Tony Juniper also warns that this will not work as cement and steel companies who have to make cuts to support the airline industry and will simply move to China to stay in business and will continue polluting there.
The second report that you attach (Greenhouse gas emissions) states “that under internationally agreed guidelines, emissions from international aviation are not included in any one country’s totals.” It goes on to say “air travel is projected to consume 60% of all energy used by transport in 2050”
The reports that you have sent through present a clear picture of why it is vital to act now to stop airport expansion. We must avoid significant further carbon emissions in the future. The evidence is overwhelming. Aircraft emissions will become a significant contributor and the only way to constrain them is to stop airport expansion. I, and many of your fellow constituents, seek your assurance that you will use your position within parliament to challenge this damaging and short sighted decision.
Yours,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David" wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for your two further emails. I am afraid that I am unable to keep up with your prolixity and your expansion into other areas of publicity as I have to deal with the other 80,000 constituents that also have views and problems. However I confirm that sustainable development is very important which is why I am a key sponsor of tomorrow’s debate on the Sustainable Bill to have its Second Reading tomorrow.
I agree that this is not compatible with expanding airports. My point of disagreement with you, which I repeat is that I believe that we have to stem the rate of increase and then reverse this as the main objective of policy and then we will not need to have any expansion. My family and I have given up flying as a form of leisure and pleasure – I hope that this is what you and others will agree to do and perhaps a good use of your website is to challenge other candidates and councillors to do likewise. My only use of flights will be for humanitarian purposes given that I hope to re-visit Sudan in February but given that my father is seriously ill I suspect that this will not happen.
In the meantime I am copying you three documents, the last Environmental Audit Report on Transport Emissions, one on Greenhouse Gas Emissions, and on Air Transport Statistics. They are detailed reports which whilst I make no apology for subjectively arguing explain why I believe that that it is vital that we concentrate efforts on reducing car use and also directly attacking flying through taxation but also direct controls so as to avoid the social unfairnesses of using price alone as a deflator.
Hopefully on that positive note we can end our correspondence. If I am guilty of anything it is that I did not spell out clearly enough that I want to go much further than just trying to stop airport growth by reversing our dependence on carbon based forms of transport.
I am copying Mike Jones and Philip Booth into this as they entered into our correspondence which I naively thought was private until your opening up to others.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com] Sent: 17 January 2007 08:47To: DREW, David
Subject: The government’s policy on sustainable development.
Dear David,
A colleague of mine has consulted the government’s sustainable development policy website and found the following statement:
“We need to secure a profound change in the way we generate and use energy, and in other activities that release these gases. We must set a good example and encourage others to follow it.”
In light of the airport expansion this is contradictorily; sustainable development, which has been so quickly absorbed into governmental rhetoric requires that we begin to start balancing economic and environmental priorities. If we are to be an advanced and “encouraging” nation, public policy should reflect that the environment and economy are inextricably linked - the condition of our economy will reflect the health of the earth’s natural systems. The time will come when the economy is substantially undermined by the environment.
Can you confirm if it is in fact the government’s policy to pursue sustainable development or to totally abandon this concept?
Kevin
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Dear David,
Thank you for replying again and continuing our friendly disagreement. You have however perplexed me again with your answers.
You have said that I should be concentrating on motor cars rather than flying. I accept that we should also be concentrating on motor cars. However, you will now have noticed how difficult it is to reduce or stop something that has already started. The government buckled immediately at the truck drivers’ protest over increased taxes. You have said below "we should use direct controls as well as pricing motorists the full environmental cost." This plays the exact argument that you have just made against my request of you to make a stand against airport expansion. You are effectively saying that the only people who will be able to travel by car will be rich footballer types, rather than poor deserving people. Personally I don't have a great problem with that because I can not see any other way and there are not that many rich footballer types, but you have consistently argued that you do have a problem with that concept. (This is not to say that I have any respect for rich footballer types whose car foot print far exceeds the national average). Your government also has a record of retreat in this area.
The failures that we have had trying to get road traffic under control clearly demonstrates how difficult it is to stop something once it is going and is all the more reason to stop it before it does get going and builds up its own momentum.
Your argument also seems to be that because car travel produces huge amounts of CO2, then it is okay to double airline capacity. Any sane and rational person would argue the opposite; because car travel has produced so much CO2 then it is even more important that we add no more to the environment than we absolutely have to.
You say that "We should start from the perspective of direct controls on who can fly." Can you explain what these direct controls would look like and how they would be implemented in practise? If you are serious about reducing flying by imposing direct controls, would we then not end up with an empty new terminal at Heathrow and unused runway around the country? Surely better not to build them in the first place.
Once you have worked out what these controls would look like, how long would it take to put them in place? We have a very limited time. Climate change is running faster and faster and we do not have time to procrastinate. Acidification of the oceans is threatening to move things to a tipping point far faster than we ever through possible.
Without wanting to be too personal, you sounding a bit like the fairies in my story. I am sure you are quite kind, but.......
http://asadstoryofmagicfairies.blogspot.com/
Again, I seek your assurance that you will recognise global warming as the big threat to the planet that it is and use your position in parliament to challenge this unbelievably stupid decision. I have yet to meet any sane thinking person that supports airport expansion.
"DREW, David"
Dear Kevin
Thank you for this. I'm glad that we have got to the root of our disagreement. According to Question 1 you are quite happy to allow the Beckhams to tear around the world for celebrity shopping and worse and yet a pensioner who uses all his life savings to visit his fallen comrades in the Far East should be prevented from doing so. You make my point absolutely - the price mechanism is unfair and to use it alone just attacks the poor.
We should start from the perspective of direct controls on who can fly and how much and not rely on basic capitalist economics. Then we would not need to be talking about airport expansion. I agree with you on nuclear power it would appear, as we are not yet serious in trying to grapple with a move towards a non-carbon energy base. However by concentrating just on flying you miss out on the more important issue of the motor car where again we should use direct controls as well as pricing motorists the full environmental cost of them using the car. To me this is where we should start as airport expansion is in the future and if people start their everyday journeys by modal shift then persuading them not to fly is much easier.
Hope this goes up in lights to show our friendly disagreement.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com] Sent: 11 January 2007 10:05To: DREW, DavidSubject: RE: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
I will answer the questions, but it still does not detract from the fact that you are supporting the airport expansion, despite you saying how concerned you were about the environment when running for election.
Question1: It is not up to me to decide who can and can not fly - it is up to the market. If taxes are increased, less people will fly because they can not afford to. If airport capacity is limited, prices will go up and less people will fly. If airlines are brought into the European emissions trading scheme, prices will go up (unless the targets set are so minimal as to not be worth while joining in the first place) as airlines compete for the the right to pollute. If you give people carbon rations, these become a defacto currency as they will be exchanged and sold. So, fundamentally affordability level of flying needs to increase, rather than have it be lowered year on year.
Question 2: See question 1 above, and read your basic books on economics.
Question 3: See question 1 above
Question 4: As per previous comments, safety is not a valid contribution into this argument. It is up to the airport management to ensure that airport operates safely within its existing capacity, and to ensure that the capacity is not exceeded. Also on this argument, if the airports expand in South East, we end up with double the number of aircraft flying over London and thereby increasing the risk of a mid air accident.
Question 5: If we go ahead with this development will breach the Kyoto agreements. This is one that I am not prepared to see broken.
Question 6: Certain military options are necessary such as bombing Taliban positions in Afghanistan and providing humanitarian relief. To the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any of these activities being planned from Heathrow! Even so, because we have to do this, it does not justify further expansion.
Question 7: Curtailing the use of the motor car is equally important. What are your policies on this?
"DREW, David"
Dear Kevin
Fine. Stand for election. Can I start with some questions for you.
1 Who are you going to stop from flying for tourist reasons?
2 Are you going to use the tax system alone, if so this is completely in egalitatarian.
3 How are you going to police this and what sanctions will you use for people who choose to continue to fly for tourism?
4 Would you take any responsibility if you failed to update airport facilities and a serious accident resulted from this decision?
5 What international agreements would you prepared to break to end flights between the UK and other parts of the world?
6 What other reasons do you think it right to stop people from flying? Business, humanitarian, military or personal?
7 I congratulate you like me on being a cyclist - why when motoring is a much greater threat to Co2 emissions and particulates especially is curtailing use of the car not more important than or at least equal importance to flying?
I look forward to your answers.
David
Dear David,
I concur with you. You are obviously extremely old fashioned.
May I remind you that you decided to run for office. You were not born into the job. In your effort to run for office you played the environment card. The issue we have discussed over this exchange of emails is not some private issue - it is a major public policy issue.
Are you trying to say that when you decide to change your position on an issue as critical as this, that I am impolite and vulgar by sharing it with similar like minded people? Some of these people voted for you in good faith.
Unlike some people, I am not cynical about politics. I believe politicans are the servants of the people. I believe in making sure that they are held to account on these most critical of issues.
Take it from me, if you do not make a positive move on this, I and my colleagues will do everything within our power to overturn your majority. That is democracy.
Todays latest news on global warming brings the impending chaos even closer to our doors - click on this link below.
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"DREW, David"
I am afraid that I am old fashioned enough to believe that correspondece is private. I don't have the need tobroadcast my views about.
Yours sincerely
David
-----Original Message-----
From: "KEVIN LISTER"
To: "DREW, David"
Cc: "Cathy Green" ; "martin@martinhorwood.net"
Sent: 10/01/07 17:38
Subject: RE: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
Firstly, I do not speak on behalf of the Lib Dem - so you need to put this question to them. Also, whilst Lib Dem's take their currrent position on nuclear power I cannot support them.
However, I will try and answer your points below, but firstly I need to clarify. When you say anyone - do you mean everyone?
The answer if you mean everyone - It is clearly not Lib Dem policy because they are not as yet advocating ripping up the existing run ways, which is what is needed to stop everyone flying.
If you mean anyone - then not everyone can fly anyway. Market forces dictate that. If it is your policy that anyone should be able to fly, then aswell as building additional runways, we should also be giving flying vouchers for state entitled free weekend breaks. That way anyone can fly. Silly comment I know - but it is the best way I can answer your silly point.
Again, I am not quite sure what you are trying to say in your last couple of sentences. If you are saying that Lib Dems policies are not worth the paper they are writen on because they will not stick to these policies and that they are thus worthless, then it will be up to the electorate to ensure that they are held to account in the event that they obtain power. Your critisism is a rather weak in light of your own current position when you said in the The Space "How important it was that we tackle climate change" and in the light of your own leader who has said he refuses to reduce air travel.
To me your position remains clear. By not using your position to challenge airport expansion, you are fundamentally supporting the expansion despite your misgivings and the overwhelming mountain of scientific evidence.
On a cautionary note, could I ask that you consider your replies, as our correspondence is now on wide circulation.
"DREW, David" wrote:
Dear Kevin
Thank you for sending me Martin Horwood's response. Can you confirm that it is now Liberal Democrat policy to stop anyone from flying on a holiday so as to stop any expansion in airport capacity. You seem to continue to misunderstand my position. You have to do this first - but if the Lib Dems are now saying that I am with them - otherwise it is just a completely dishonest and hypocritical statement which is not worth the paper it was printed out on.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 10 January 2007 14:17
To: DREW, David
Cc: cathyclimatechange@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: RE: Expansion of Heathrow / Stanstead and Luton Airports
Dear David,
For your interest, you may be interested in the response from the MP in Cheltenham on the issue of airport expansion.
I hope that this will finally persuade you to change your mind and use your position to challenge the expansion rather than limit yourself to expressing misgivings.
Kevin
Cathy Green wrote:
Dear Cathy
Happy New Year.
I made my position on the airport expansions clear during a public e-meeting at our last party conference in Brighton, fully supporting and reinforcing our party policy which is to oppose all three major airport expansions. If aviation is to be prevented from rising to 20% of UK CO2 emissions as presently projected, we must restrict not expand major airport capacity.
Rest assured I will use my position as Lib Dem shadow environment minister to make this point in Parliament whenever the opportunity arises.
Cheers
Martin
Martin Horwood
Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Cheltenham
martin@martinhorwood.net
(Letter sent by David Drew, blue text is my reply back to him)
7th January 2007
Dear Kevin
Airline Priorities
Thank you for your further email of 3rd January. I think that you are being far too negative about what response the Select Committee made. The key recommendations are there that there needs a major investment in biofuels. Whilst synthetic biomass is behind other forms of bioenergy it certainly is worthy of major investment from now on.
To reiterate, the report stated that “that the cost of producing biomass-derived FT hydrocarbons was likely to rule out their commercial development for the foreseeable future.” This seems quite clear to me, I really am not quite sure what part of this I do not understand.
The report also did not cover the environmental implications of trying to produce enough biomass fuel to make a meaningful contribution to the environment.
On your second point I agree that it is wrong to allow demand to go on untrammelled, but I think it grossly unfair that flying becomes the pursuit of the rich. If we are serious about controlling demand then this must be rationed by quantity and not price. However many people fly for non-leisure reasons including humanitarian intervention.
The easiest way to ration by quantity is to not build any further runways!!
I can’t be as blasé as yourself regarding safety. All airports need to be regularly updated as does any transport form.
I am not at all blasé about safety. It is the airport management’s job to ensure that they operate with an appropriate level of safety margin for the capacity that they can provide. Thus, if an airport has capacity for 10 planes an hour, the airport management ensure that 10 planes per hour are planed and not 15 planes per hour.
On use I raised the point of the demand for flying to demonstrate the scale of the problem in changing mindsets, which brings to your point which is at best silly about the electorate being ahead of politicians.
It was you who said that the electorate were ahead of the politicians on this issue. You said it at the “Question time” forum at the Space in Stroud during your campaign. I thought at the time it was a very perceptive and powerful comment.
You also said at the same meeting, “If you want to be scared, read the report by Sir David King.” You went on to say how important it was that we took action against global warming. Clearly, you now think that expanding airport capacity is more important than taking action on global warming.
When I se people make the same sacrifices then I will concur with your view – until then I would urge you to be a little more circumspect in your views.
I am glad that you will concur with my views once you see people making sacrifices. I would be interested in how many people you would want to see make sacrifices before you changed your views. Would it by any chance be equal to your winning margin? The enclosed link shows some of the people who are making sacrifices. If you look carefully you may see some of your constituents.
http://www.campaigncc.org/images/2006/trafalgarsquare.html
However I did enjoy your website though I’m not sure if you shouldn’t be more positive in terms of what people do.
I am glad you have enjoyed my web site. There will be other exciting competitions in the near future which you will have the opportunity to take part in.
Your concluding point in no way represents my position as I said in my original letter to you.
In your original letter you said you had “misgivings” about airport expansion. However, it seems to me that your misgivings are different to your position and that your position is clear; you will not use your position to challenge the airport expansion in any way.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
MP for Stroud
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:02:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: KEVIN LISTER
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
To: "DREW, David"
Dear David,
Thank you again for your reply and clarification of your position on this. In answer to your points:
1. I have not misunderstood the role of the Select Committee enquires at all. I appreciate fully that these will not and can not provide a complete answer. I also appreciate that they provide a provocative and current investigation; it is in this role that they have "proactively" concluded that the technology and concept behind bio-mass is a none starter. They are also made public, to inform the electorate of the current state of debate on such matters. It is not possible for any reader to come to a conclusion other than bio mass is not a viable alternative, not withstanding the other fundamental questions which the report did not cover.
2. On your second point, you are effectively stating that the proposed increase in airport expansion represents a proposed increase in demand that must be satisfied. The demand is only there because it is currently so cheap to fly. It is cheap to fly because air fuel is untaxed and airports expansion has been supported by past governments. The easiest way to stem demand is to restrict supply. Increasing air taxes is not an option due to the international treaties necessary, so the next obvious form of restriction is to limit airport expansion. As I pointed out in my earlier e-mail, the people stuck at Heathrow prior to Christmas were not on life and death critical missions. It is beyond me to understand why flying hundreds of thousands of people around the country at Christmas is somehow vital to our long term economic interests.
3. Your argument about safety is not a substantive point. It is up to the airport management to ensure that the airport operates safely, at what ever the capacity is.
4. On you point about a poll stating that 98% would be opposed to air travel restrictions, I can assure you that far more than 2% of the people that I know have already decided not to travel by air. You may also wish to challenge the validity of the poll you are referring to; for example, was it taken at an airport? was it commissioned by an airport authority? How were the questions presented to respondents? Were the questions posed along the lines of "would you still take an air trip knowing that by doing so you were contributing to the destruction of the planet and that the impact will deprive our children a full life."
In the question and answer session that was held at The Space in Stroud prior to your election, I raised the question of the environment positions of our prospective candidates. At the end of that heated debate, you made the very valid and perceptive point "that the electorate was ahead of the politicians on this issue." I can conclude from your answers and positions below that you are still prepared to have the electorate ahead of your thinking.
Can I further conclude that you will be supporting the governments position on allowing unrestricted airport expansion and thereby disregarding all the available science and evidence on the subject? Can I also further conclude that by not being prepared to challenge airport expansion, you are prepared to dismiss the recommendations of the Stern report and allow the sacrifice of our environment within the life time of our children so that people can enjoy cheap weekend breaks and exotic holidays.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David"
Dear Kevin
Thank you for your further email. However you slightly misunderstand the role of Select Committee enquiries. These are never intended to be a complete answer to the enquiry but a provocative and current investigation into issues of concern that government has to grapple with. Though we were questioning of the validity of evidence on alternatives to current fossil fuels our main point is that until and unless government makes a decision on whether to try to make a leap to second generation biofuels we will be facing the current fudge on the first generation.
On restricting air travel the increase in airport capacity represents the rise in demand. Again you cannot stop this unless you are prepared to say who you wnat to stop from flying and how this will be done. I am quite happy to constrict growth but you can't just stop any expansion at present unless you are prepared to take enormous risks in safety as well as the wrath of stopping people from flying without putting alternatives in place or attempting to build a consensus on why this should be done. The latest poll indicated that 98% of people would oppose this - indicative of how far we have to travel in this area.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 02 January 2007 23:18
To: DREW, David
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
Dear David,
Thank you for your clarification. I have read the select report document that you refer to.
I note that the reports conclusions on synthetic kerosene are extremely pessimistic with regard to it being a long term effective alternative to conventional fossil fuels.
The report concludes "that the cost of producing biomass-derived FT hydrocarbons was likely to rule out their commercial development for the foreseeable future."
It also goes on to say that "It is most likely that, as with the early South African experience, second generation bio fuels would feature only as part of a kerosene blend but significant work remains before this could demonstrated as viable in cost, energy and environmental terms and thus become be a system-wide reality. The energy required for the production of second generation bio fuels (from biomass) should be improved, but the efficiency of the process on a large scale is as yet uncertain."
The statement is deliberately vague as to what part of the total fuel mix biomass would be. Is it envisaged to be 1% or 99%? The only conclusion that can be reached from this report is that the increased demand that the new airport expansion will develop will be met by increased burning of fossil fuels. I note also from the report, that the synthetic kerosene that South Africa uses is made from coal, thereby demonstrating the idea of biomass becoming a significant supply chain for the aviation fuel as being even less credible.
Further to this, the report makes other serious omissions in its analysis. It does not for example consider how much of the environment we would need to sacrifice to have planes running on bio fuels.
In 1986, the first calculation of the worlds photosynethetic ceiling was carried out. It was calculated then that approximately half of the suns energy was already being used by humans use through crop growth, tree plantations, golf courses, etc, or wasted by falling on roads and cities (see Science 277:494-499 (1997). Since 1986 the world’s population has grown by 35%, thereby eating into the remaining margin. The idea of converting the remaining amount into monoculture crops to support an unnecessary leisure industry is mindless stupidity.
Thus the report and all the available scientific evidence challenges your contention that "aviation could already be making real inroads into its reliance upon carbon-based fuels."
I again urge you again to use your position to protest against this short sighted and damaging decision and seek your assurance that you will do so.
Yours sincerely,
Kevin Lister
For your interest, I enclose a link to my blog, which is published in Nailsworth News.
http://kevsclimatecolumn.blogspot.com/
"DREW, David"
Dear Kevin
What I was referring to was synthetic kerosene which can be made from biomass. The Defra Select Committee of which I am still a member had a detailed look into this as part of its enquiry into bio-energy. This report can be obtained from the Select Committee pages on the Parliamentary website which can be accessed via www.parliament.uk. Its worth a look as it shows how aviation could already be making real inroads into its reliance upon carbon-based fuels.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 31 December 2006 00:45
To: DREW, David
Subject: RE: Airport expansion
Dear David,
Many thanks for you fast response on this. I am glad that you share similar concerns to me about this issue.
I am though perplexed by your comment on kerosene. Planes currently already run on kerosene and this is derived from fossil fuels. If you are alluding to bio fuels with this comment, then you need to be aware that we would have to replace virtually all our tropical rain forests with a mono culture of some crop such as sugar beat to provide enough fuel to run the airline industry. The critically of global warming is such that we need all our bio sphere operating to reduce the current critical build up of CO2 in the atmosphere and not delude ourselves into thinking that there is some relatively easy alternative that preserves our current standards of consumption. By using bio fuels we effectively sacrifice the planets lungs.
I am glad that you, like me disbelieve that 98% of the population would not be prepared to give up air travel. However, it is also worth considering that the combined advertising revenue of airline and associated tourist industries far outweighs what is available to the environmental movement, even in todays climate. If equal advertising was given to both both issues, then I am sure that 98% of the poulation would instantly give up air travel!
To provide you with some sober reading, I attach a word document which includes two further texts. One is from an annonymous author who articulates our approach on global warming in a more powerful way than I could ever hope to. The other is the trend in CO2 from the Hawaii observatory.
Could I again seek your assurance that you will challenge the governments plans for airport expansion. The plans are destructive and offer only a minor short term electoral gain at the expense of catastrophic environmental damage in the near term future for our children.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
"DREW, David"
Dear Kevin
Thank you for this. I have misgivings about any expansion of airline use. However there are alternatives to gasoline such as kerosene which should be explored. Whilst I believe that we have to be careful about further expansion of Heathrow I am interested to know that the recent poll of 98% of britons who said they would not give up flying is an exaggeration and you like me only fly for reasons such as visiting those in peril and not for leisure reasons.
Yours sincerely
David Drew
________________________________________
From: KEVIN LISTER [mailto:kevin.lister@btopenworld.com]
Sent: 30 December 2006 15:56
To: DREW, David
Subject: Airport expansion
Dear David,
I am copying you on a letter my son has sent to the Transport Secretary, the Environment Secretary and the Prime Minister to protest against the proposed expansion of Heathrow and other airports that was announced before Christmas.
Your own government commissioned the Stern report which concluded that we need a 90% reduction in CO2 emissions. This decision to expand the airports shows complete and utter disregard to that reports conclusions. It ridicules our reputation in the world as a country that is prepared to show leadership on global warming which is the most critical issue of our time.
The recent pictures of delayed passengers at Heathrow before Christmas illustrated the stupidity of airport expansion. Not one person interviewed had an overwhelming need to travel and not one person interviewed gave any consideration to catastrophic environmental damage that they were about to cause.
I urge you to use your position to protest at this short sighted and damaging decision in Parliament.
Regards,
Kevin Lister
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
The last month has been a busy time for climate change. The Stern report was published by the government. This report states that a 90% reduction in CO2 emissions is required. This is an awesome challenge that will result in a massive change to our way of life. As well as the report, an enormous climate demonstration was held in London with 30,000 people attending showing that the number of people who are prepared to make a change is growing.
Heating and powering your house is one of your biggest contributors to CO2 emissions. There are a range of things that you can do to significantly minimise emissions. The simplest and cheapest thing that will minimise your emissions is to install draft excluders. The next simplest thing is to use low energy bulbs, which use 80% less power than conventional bulbs. Your next best expenditure is cavity wall and loft insulation. At the other end of the spectrum, there are options such as solar heating which costs several thousand pounds. We have contacted three families in the area who have solar heating. They all say it provides a lot of hot water in the summer, but it is of little benefit in the winter when it is most in demand and can take up to 10 years to pay back. So, the best way forward is to make sure that you have done all the easy options, before you spend significant amounts of money on other methods.
On a recent walk through Nailsworth one evening I counted the number of light bulbs in show window displays. There were 182 bulbs being left on all night, and almost none are low energy!! This produces around about 38 tonnes of CO2 per year which needs about 1,300 trees to be absorbed.
Only two shops used low energy bulbs. If you can identify the two shops, please email and the first correct response will be awarded a low energy bulb.
This months gas guzzler, seen in the Nailsworth Garden Centre. The owner can contact the blog to claim his "I don't care about our kids" certificate or email on kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
Heating and powering your house is one of your biggest contributors to CO2 emissions. There are a range of things that you can do to significantly minimise emissions. The simplest and cheapest thing that will minimise your emissions is to install draft excluders. The next simplest thing is to use low energy bulbs, which use 80% less power than conventional bulbs. Your next best expenditure is cavity wall and loft insulation. At the other end of the spectrum, there are options such as solar heating which costs several thousand pounds. We have contacted three families in the area who have solar heating. They all say it provides a lot of hot water in the summer, but it is of little benefit in the winter when it is most in demand and can take up to 10 years to pay back. So, the best way forward is to make sure that you have done all the easy options, before you spend significant amounts of money on other methods.
On a recent walk through Nailsworth one evening I counted the number of light bulbs in show window displays. There were 182 bulbs being left on all night, and almost none are low energy!! This produces around about 38 tonnes of CO2 per year which needs about 1,300 trees to be absorbed.
Only two shops used low energy bulbs. If you can identify the two shops, please email and the first correct response will be awarded a low energy bulb.
This months gas guzzler, seen in the Nailsworth Garden Centre. The owner can contact the blog to claim his "I don't care about our kids" certificate or email on kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
Saturday, September 30, 2006
Welcome to Kev's Climate Column. Kev, along with his helpers will bring you news of climate change in the coming editions of Nailsworth News and clarify the conflicting reports in the wider media. But most importantly, Kev’s Climate Column will bring you information and ideas on what you can do reduce your “carbon footprint;” these may be ideas that need individual action or collective action amongst the people of Nailsworth.
Kev’s climate column will also have a blog, at www.kevsclimatecolumn.blogspot.com/. You will be able to find all the articles here, as well as give your ideas on how to reduce your carbon footprint, discuss other ideas or let us know how successful our ideas for reducing carbon have been. You can also email on kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
First of all, how big a problem is climate change? To put it in perspective, the met office this month have released a long range forecast for Saharan weather conditions in England by the end of this century, with temperatures getting as high as 46oC. The worst of it is that this is not even the worst-case estimate and other computer models predict far worse. Changes this big will impact every single person reading this paper. We have already just had the hottest September and July on record. Climate change is not some abstract problem of the future that can be resolved by talking. It is a problem that is affecting us right now and needs all of us to act and think in very different ways.
One simple thing that you can do to save your carbon emissions dramatically is to drive less. Have you looked at lift sharing? If you do not have colleagues at work who live locally to you, then you could try one of the lift sharing web sites, or leave your journey details on our blog. We have looked at www.liftshare.org. It looks good and is free. There are even people logged on to it from this area. If everyone in Nailsworth who is interested in lift sharing went to this site, we could have a critical mass of people all at one place. Please let us know how you get on.
Would I use it? No, I bike to work!!!
Kev
PS.... Is this your gas-guzzler? If so contact us through the blog to claim your "I don't care about our kids" certificate.
Kev’s climate column will also have a blog, at www.kevsclimatecolumn.blogspot.com/. You will be able to find all the articles here, as well as give your ideas on how to reduce your carbon footprint, discuss other ideas or let us know how successful our ideas for reducing carbon have been. You can also email on kevsclimatecolumn@btinternet.com.
First of all, how big a problem is climate change? To put it in perspective, the met office this month have released a long range forecast for Saharan weather conditions in England by the end of this century, with temperatures getting as high as 46oC. The worst of it is that this is not even the worst-case estimate and other computer models predict far worse. Changes this big will impact every single person reading this paper. We have already just had the hottest September and July on record. Climate change is not some abstract problem of the future that can be resolved by talking. It is a problem that is affecting us right now and needs all of us to act and think in very different ways.
One simple thing that you can do to save your carbon emissions dramatically is to drive less. Have you looked at lift sharing? If you do not have colleagues at work who live locally to you, then you could try one of the lift sharing web sites, or leave your journey details on our blog. We have looked at www.liftshare.org. It looks good and is free. There are even people logged on to it from this area. If everyone in Nailsworth who is interested in lift sharing went to this site, we could have a critical mass of people all at one place. Please let us know how you get on.
Would I use it? No, I bike to work!!!
Kev
PS.... Is this your gas-guzzler? If so contact us through the blog to claim your "I don't care about our kids" certificate.
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